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Author:  Tobius [ September 10th, 2015, 8:32 pm ]
Post subject:  American 1885 sail cruiser.
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I worked on this one as an example to lead into an AU for the future. For the present it is just a personal design that shows me what such an alternate New Steel Navy might have looked like with German guns and clunky American engines. I think it's a little top heavy, and as the ships were used, we would have seen the masts cut down (1890 refit)
Author:  Obsydian Shade [ September 11th, 2015, 12:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: American 1885 sail cruiser.
I like the design a lot; looks good! What's the speed supposed to be?
Author:  acelanceloet [ September 11th, 2015, 8:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: American 1885 sail cruiser.
I am still curious what you are trying to represent with the hull shading, currently to me it looks like an fat banana with propellers....... while I doubt that is what you are trying to represent.
Author:  Tobius [ September 11th, 2015, 3:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American 1885 sail cruiser.
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Reworked the banana and tried something different (for me at least). Result is a really cramped hull. I still think it is topheavy. This redo may have made that aspect worse.

The natural speed is about 17 knots, but the performance under sail and engines at the time? More like 14 with a cruise of 8? That ship should heel over like a drunk in a gale.

Reminds me a lot of the French cruiser Lapérouse. Wrecked ship, when she heeled over in a storm at anchor.
Author:  acelanceloet [ September 11th, 2015, 3:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American 1885 sail cruiser.
I still have no idea what you are representing with the shading..... what kind of 'rule' do you use to see where it should be shaded?
Author:  BB1987 [ September 11th, 2015, 3:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American 1885 sail cruiser.
Making the mast spars three pixel thick instead of four/five might help a bit. Try also cutting down the funnels in height or make tham thinner.
Author:  Tobius [ September 11th, 2015, 3:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American 1885 sail cruiser.
acelanceloet wrote:
I still have no idea what you are representing with the shading..... what kind of 'rule' do you use to see where it should be shaded?
Sun appox. bows on about 40 to 45 degree above the horizon line for above the waterline shading, ship generally heading east. When doing hull, I am still experimenting. My current rule is darks for curves, lights for flats and where you have roll dampers, either light or dark depending on hull base color contrast.
BB1987 wrote:
Making the mast spars three pixel thick instead of four/five might help a bit. Try also cutting down the funnels in height or make them thinner.
Making the masts thinner certainly would help. The funnels? Really? Must be for the wind breaks. I thought the funnels generally were so light in construction, they had to be guy wired in place or they would be carried off with the first stiff breeze. Not as much mass as the masts.
Author:  JSB [ September 11th, 2015, 4:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American 1885 sail cruiser.
I like it 8-),
but would it be better to change the rigging to some other shaded to make it less like the hull ? (maybe brown as used on some sailing ships in SB ?)
Author:  Tobius [ September 11th, 2015, 5:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American 1885 sail cruiser.
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Okay I used rope instead of steel colors for rigging and I lowered the stacks and bluffed the bow to bulge the hull. How about that?

Some details I can supply now that I have a better feel for the hull form.

Armament is the 1880 SK 240/35 for mains, and the SK 87/40 for secondaries. (the British would call them 9.4 inch BLNRs and 3.5 QFNGs in their nomenclature.)

She's a modified bark rigged two master and I would rate her as no more than a corvette by size.
Author:  CraigH [ September 11th, 2015, 7:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: American 1885 sail cruiser.
Interesting start!

Search out the "Project Sail" thread. That can give you some examples to emulate regarding comparable masting, rigging, and maybe in a couple submittals, appropriate examples hull shading.

Yours is late in the transitional period of steam with full auxilliary sail. Steam power wasn't quite efficient enough and coaling stations were still being established around the world.

On your hull I'd personally make the stacks thinner but keep the height for better draft to the boilers, then I'd get rid of the rocker, curved stern keel. Straiten that out for better "to windward" tracking while under sail.

Study some of the later 2 and 3 masters in the Project Sail thread for rigging. Maybe look at the ongoing upload thread too. You'll find some contemporary ships.

Keep it up!

CraigH
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