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Author:  heuhen [ May 30th, 2015, 1:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Just a DDG idea
Have an idea, but when it come to electronics and radars... I have no ideas. Help!!!

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Author:  Blackbuck [ May 30th, 2015, 1:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Just a DDG idea
Wait, whut? STIR AND APAR?
Author:  heuhen [ May 30th, 2015, 1:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Just a DDG idea
Blackbuck wrote:
Wait, whut? STIR AND APAR?

And that's why I posted it so early, I have no idea what I want!
Author:  MC Spoilt B'stard [ May 31st, 2015, 2:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Just a DDG idea
heuhen wrote:
Blackbuck wrote:
Wait, whut? STIR AND APAR?

And that's why I posted it so early, I have no idea what I want!
I would not locate your Goalkeeper that low on the side ( less coverage), 1 at hangar would have same coverage as 2 at this location, if you realy need 2 look at Type 45/26 ships of the Royal navy for side placement.
Author:  JSB [ May 31st, 2015, 9:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Just a DDG idea
I have to ask why you have 5',3' and 30mm (+ light guns I assume added later),
- 5' is obviously the best for NGFS etc
- 30mm is a CIWS only gun
- its the 3' that bothers me, ie it can do the other 2 jobs as well (if maybe badly)
So I would cut to 5'/30mm or 5'/3' (or 5'/20mm, or just 3') rather than have 3 types what's the advantage and cost will go up ?
Author:  Blackbuck [ May 31st, 2015, 9:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Just a DDG idea
You could always go for a setup like I did on some of the older Gemstones and have multiple batches. viewtopic.php?p=71#p71 < They should be in there.

Depending on your tasking, swap out irrelevant parts of the design?
Author:  MC Spoilt B'stard [ May 31st, 2015, 3:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Just a DDG idea
JSB wrote:
I have to ask why you have 5',3' and 30mm (+ light guns I assume added later),
- 5' is obviously the best for NGFS etc
- 30mm is a CIWS only gun
- its the 3' that bothers me, ie it can do the other 2 jobs as well (if maybe badly)
So I would cut to 5'/30mm or 5'/3' (or 5'/20mm, or just 3') rather than have 3 types what's the advantage and cost will go up ?
Other option could be to use the 3' as CIWS /ASuW role (replacing the 30mm goalkeepers)
1x 5'
3x 3'

Adding a missile launcher as CIWS (RAM) could be used to supplementary to the 3' guns. Ram could be fitted below the SMART-L /S1850 radar or aft to the flightdeck like USCG cutters have theire Phalanx placed.
Replacing those goalkeepers with 30 / 25 / 20 mm turrets or .50 cals.
Author:  heuhen [ May 31st, 2015, 7:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Just a DDG idea
thanks for all the suggestions, it's helps me a lot.

I have made some changes to the ship, now there are three versions, with three different armament solution. But with one standard armament and radar setup. One thing I try do focuses on that structure used around the ship should be as similar as possible (When I can do that, when not...), for example the small superstructure the RAM launcher are mounted on above the hangar, is the same structure mounted above the bridge.

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Author:  JSB [ May 31st, 2015, 7:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Just a DDG idea
Well I like,
Number 2 the most as RAM and 5' cover all tasks well (you might have to add a few stabilized 20-30mm small boat guns to be ideal but the 4 light guns you have will do) I would remove the MK57 112 cells is sufficient for anything, especially if you have quad packing.

Number 1 is OK for a ship that doesn't have to do fire support (deep ocean escort AA/ASW ?).

Number 3 doesn't really work for me (again 57mm/30mm overlap to much)
Author:  Blackbuck [ May 31st, 2015, 8:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Just a DDG idea
Well. It's a bit crude but I had a quick hack and slash at them to illustrate what I think might work.

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127mm or 76mm depending on the batch
96 strike length cells which still gives you an OMGWTFBBQ amount of weapon options
Separate AShMs or capacity for them
ESM and COMMO tower amidships in a rearranged central plaza (lots of space behind those bulwarks for things)
Modified aviation facilities, hangar brought further back (can still take a Chinook as is) and added a flex deck straddling the aft VLS
Goalkeepers fore and aft with good clear arcs
Lower flex deck as before untouched
Slightly lowered upper-works and towers

~Mark.
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