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Having seen Ace's good looking Endracht inspired drawing. I had a look at what might be available for a customer like Uruguay.

I figured Uruguay would be looking for a multi-role combat ship for patrolling its coastline and ensuring its neutrality. The previous ship used for these tasks was the little gunboat Uruguay which was nearing 40 years old and badly in need of replacement. A cruiser sized vessel designed by Alvama was chosen, and an order was placed with a German yard for the ship.

I am somewhat wondering if this vessel would work. you have 4 shafts, an aircraft hangar and a lot of secondaries on a hull that looks about the same size as what I have on the Eendracht. it seems likely (given the time era) that these 2 funnels would be ducted together as well. it might be just me, but the ships superstructure looks a tad too modern as well.

that said, it is nice to have inspired you, but I think mine's better looking still

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I would agree Ace that it is more like a 1943-45 fit of gear, trouble is I can not get it built in Germany during that time span. Also the AA outfit is too much for 1939.

Unfortunately the only way I can get it to Uruguay is to complete it in 1939. I think the Germans would have taken it over if it was not already gone by September 1939.

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I see you took an ship originally designed by an SS-report from Wesworld. Actually, a Design from a German shipyard for Peru. Its just drawn to the lines as it was designed. Tradition and rules and all that kind of details in Wesworld, are not like the real world ones even its same date. Tech is little in advance. The bridge is close to Spanish cruisers of the real time line.
I dont care about what people say or want. Some people should not wonder and think too much anyway. Its really a silly thing to have a need to comment on every single and drawing. But arrogance around, is what shipbucket makes I guess.

I like the Wesworld designs Alex, I have used several of Hoods and your ships from the Wesworld AU. Normally the main things I have had to do to bring them into the 'real world' AU's or Personal Design level is to replace the fire control systems with ones from the country of origin. Also some of the weaponry is also 'Wesworld' only, so I update that with standard weapons.

Looking at Ace's comments, I might try a version with two triple 8" forward in place of the 5.9's, reduce the AA a bit and try a 'Hipper' funnel to see how it looks.

I really love doing all the different drawings whether they be real designs or kitbashes. I'm waiting on some scans and photos for my next real life project, and until they arrive I am filling my time with a few kitbashes to keep my hand in. I have seen comments about Shipbucket becoming 'Legobucket', and I am probably one of the worst offenders. Most of my drawings are firmly fixed in the WW1 and WW2 eras, and those are the real life ones I will do too. It is only from doing all the kitbashes that I eventually felt confident enough to try some real life drawings.

And the strangest feeling is kitbashing your own real life drawings

the best kitbashes are the ones no longer recognisable as such as example my alternate eendracht, which started as a kitbash of alex's drawing but ended up an total redraw of basically everything.

anyways, try to look a bit at displacements. if you have a base design, estimate it's displacement and try to keep it the same. if you add, remove or move things, try to keep the center of gravity the same position (or move the center of bouyancy a bit by modding the shape of the hull) and the displacement the same, and you almost certainly get an working ship.

the forward arnament might be quite sensible, and if she has a lot more beam even the secondary battery could make sense. it all depends on how different this ship actually is from my eendracht concept, actually

you have the engine rooms still aft of the boiler rooms, right? so basically you just had a double ended ship and removed the aft guns and replaced them with the hangar?

as for legobucket comments, the worst kitbashes are the ones which take from 10 different drawings and where you can see exactly where each parts starts or ends. yours are far above that level IMO so you are by no means the worst offender.

I would really be interested in seeing alex's references though, I am interested in the 2 very big funnels (inefficient boilers?) and 4 propellers on a ship only 10 meters longer then the eendracht. a displacement figure or a beam would give me the ability to really compare things already, but I believe he is mad at me for some reason :S

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Just to make it easy for me - "The Uruguyans were offered two designs"

The second design replaced the three triple 5.9" with two triple 8". The twin funnels are replaced with a single funnel. More to real life I have dialled the AA back quite a bit as well. See Stats.




Displacement: 13,500 tons standard, 16,250 tons full load.
Dimensions: 645 x 72 x 26 feet
Machinery: 4 shaft, geared turbines, 100,000shp,
Speed: 32 knots
Endurance: 8,000 nm, at 18 knots
Armour: 3.9" belt, 2.4" deck 3.5" turrets
Armament:
6 x 8" (2x3)
8 x 4.1" (8x1)
6 x 37mm (6x1)
20 x 20mm (2x4 12x1)
Aircraft: up to 6
Crew: 900 (1939) 1040 (1944)