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Author: | Garlicdesign [ January 28th, 2017, 1:42 pm ] |
Post subject: | Ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet |
Hello again! After I posted the Black Sea Fleet's dreadnoughts two years ago, it's about time for the other stuff (limited to what was still operational in 1914), starting in chronological order with the Russian Battleship Tri-Svyatitel'ya She was a near-copy of HMS Trafalgar and the last Russian low-freeboard battleship. Slow (16 kts) and obsolete as she was, she was considered well armed (4x 305/35, 8x152/35, 4x120/40 and over 30 smaller guns) and well protected (457mm belt made from Harvey steel) and still had some life in her in 1912, when the decision was made to completely rebuild her above upper deck level. She received a homogenous secondary battery of 14 - 152/40 guns and landed all smaller ones except two 47mm saluting guns. Her built-up superstructure was lowered by one deck and her military masts were replaced with pole masts. In this guise, she gave sterling service throughout World War one. She changed ownership several times in 1918 - 1920, and everyone who had to give her up demolished her a little bit more. What was left was scrapped in 1923. Next: Rostisslav Greetings GD |
Author: | Gollevainen [ January 28th, 2017, 2:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet |
Fantastic topic, eagerly waiting to see more! |
Author: | Hood [ January 28th, 2017, 2:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet |
Another superlative drawing. Don't know enough about these ships to offer detailed comments but knowing your research these are probably perfect. |
Author: | RegiaMarina1939 [ January 28th, 2017, 4:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet |
-I hope that my springsharp figures have improved... If not, please let me know. I am trying to find excuses for using it here. A lot of ships come out of springsharp as being really wet and unstable, not sure if the program is like that or what. Also, I have no idea how to use the freeboard mechanics so I just kind of let the program auto-design the figures based on the dimensions I put in... Tri Sviatitelia, Russian Empire Battleship laid down 1891 Displacement: 12,585 t light; 12,851 t standard; 13,318 t normal; 13,692 t full load Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught 378.00 ft / 378.00 ft x 73.30 ft x 28.60 ft (normal load) 115.21 m / 115.21 m x 22.34 m x 8.72 m Armament: 4 - 12.00" / 305 mm guns (2x2 guns), 864.00lbs / 391.90kg shells, 1891 Model Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes) on centreline, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring 8 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns in single mounts, 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1891 Model Breech loading guns in casemate mounts on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts 4 - 4.70" / 119 mm guns in single mounts, 51.91lbs / 23.55kg shells, 1891 Model Breech loading guns in casemate mounts on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts 10 - 1.85" / 47.0 mm guns in single mounts, 3.17lbs / 1.44kg shells, 1891 Model Breech loading guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread 40 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns in single mounts, 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1891 Model Breech loading guns in deck mounts on side, evenly spread Weight of broadside 4,621 lbs / 2,096 kg Shells per gun, main battery: 0 6 - 15.0" / 381 mm submerged torpedo tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 18.0" / 457 mm 246.00 ft / 74.98 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m Ends: 9.00" / 229 mm 132.28 ft / 40.32 m 10.27 ft / 3.13 m Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 16.0" / 406 mm 16.0" / 406 mm 12.0" / 305 mm - Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 12.00" / 305 mm Machinery: Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines, Direct drive, 2 shafts, 9,668 ihp / 7,213 Kw = 16.50 kts Range 2,250nm at 10.00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 841 tons (100% coal) Complement: 619 - 805 Cost: £1.172 million / $4.687 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 578 tons, 4.3 % Armour: 4,081 tons, 30.6 % - Belts: 2,039 tons, 15.3 % - Torpedo bulkhead: 0 tons, 0.0 % - Armament: 1,155 tons, 8.7 % - Armour Deck: 742 tons, 5.6 % - Conning Tower: 145 tons, 1.1 % Machinery: 1,758 tons, 13.2 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,168 tons, 46.3 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 733 tons, 5.5 % Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 % Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 11,419 lbs / 5,179 Kg = 13.2 x 12.0 " / 305 mm shells or 1.8 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 0.96 Metacentric height 2.9 ft / 0.9 m Roll period: 18.1 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 70 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.63 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.40 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck Block coefficient: 0.588 Length to Beam Ratio: 5.16 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 19.44 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 46 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length): - Stem: 21.39 ft / 6.52 m - Forecastle (20 %): 13.61 ft / 4.15 m - Mid (50 %): 13.61 ft / 4.15 m - Quarterdeck (15 %): 13.61 ft / 4.15 m - Stern: 13.61 ft / 4.15 m - Average freeboard: 14.23 ft / 4.34 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 78.9 % - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 83.9 % Waterplane Area: 20,043 Square feet or 1,862 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 109 % Structure weight / hull surface area: 211 lbs/sq ft or 1,030 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 1.23 - Longitudinal: 3.52 - Overall: 1.37 Caution: Poor stability - excessive risk of capsizing Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is excellent Room for accommodation and workspaces is cramped Ship has slow, easy roll, a good, steady gun platform Good seaboat, rides out heavy weather easily |
Author: | GRISHA-II [ January 28th, 2017, 6:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet |
Very nice battleship! Superb work! |
Author: | adenandy [ January 29th, 2017, 3:25 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet |
I concur with all the above comments EXCELLENT work, as ALWAYS GD... Jolly WELL DONE sir |
Author: | eswube [ January 29th, 2017, 12:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet |
Great drawings. |
Author: | maomatic [ January 29th, 2017, 2:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet |
Superb work, as always! |
Author: | Garlicdesign [ February 2nd, 2017, 7:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet |
Hi everyone and on it goes with the Russian Battleship Rostisslav: She was a somewhat downscaled half-sister of the Baltic Fleet's Sissoi Velikiy, with smaller-caliber main artillery (4 254mm/40 guns), but stronger and better protected secondary batteries (8 152mm/40 guns in four twin turrets). She had a 406mm belt of Harvey steel, but was only good for 16 knots. All things considered, she was a well balanced ships, because none of her features were any more than mediocre. Unlike the older Tri-Svyatitelya, she was not significantly modernized. She landed all her 47mm and 37mm guns and her torpedo nets, and received four 75mm HA guns. A rangefinder was installed on the former fighting top. Greetings GD |
Author: | RegiaMarina1939 [ February 2nd, 2017, 9:45 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet |
ohhh very nice! |
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